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Brasil e Coreia do Sul têm muitas similaridades quando se fala em saneamento. Foi o que concluíram especialistas brasileiros e sul-coreanos no workshop “Troca de Experiência Tecnológica em Saneamento Brasil e Coreia do Sul”, que Associação Brasileira de Engenharia Sanitária e Ambiental, Seção São Paulo – ABES-SP promoveu nesta quarta-feira, 8 de março, no Espaço Vida da Unidade SABESP Ponte Pequena. O evento, que contou com o apoio da SABESP e patrocínio das empresas ACTUARE e TAE HWA MFG Corporation, teve como objetivo promover o intercâmbio de conhecimento e tecnologias entre os dois países.
O encontro reuniu especialistas de empresas da Coreia do Sul e representantes do Departamento de Águas do Governo Metropolitano de Seul – Coreia do Sul (ARISU). Esta foi mais uma atividade preparatória para o Congresso ABES Fenasan 2017, o maior Encontro de Saneamento Ambiental das Américas, que acontecerá de 02 a 06 de outubro, em São Paulo, Brasil.
O presidente da ABES-SP, Alceu Guérios Bittencourt, abriu o evento com uma menção especial aos sócios da entidade e aos engenheiros da Sabesp, agradecendo o empenho e apoio à realização do workshop. O engenheiro lembrou aos presentes dois importantes eventos do calendário da ABES para este ano: as eleições das seções estaduais que ocorrerão em junho e o Congresso ABES/Fenasan 2017.
Alceu Bittencourt falou sobre sua visita à Coreia do Sul, em 2015, representando a ABES durante o 7º Fórum Mundial da Água. A edição 2018 ocorrerá no Brasil, em Brasília/DF, no mês abril. “Tive condições de conhecer um pouco a realidade da Coreia do Sul e as situações do nosso setor”, ressaltou. “Pude ver o quanto o país se desenvolveu e também o quanto ele tem similaridades conosco. Um pais de desenvolvimento mais recente e que ainda enfrenta problemas similares aos nossos. Entendo que isso torna esta oportunidade muito importante”, disse. “Queremos também mostrar a eles a nossa realidade. Essa troca de experiência, sua tecnologia, que é extremamente útil para todos os participantes deste nosso evento”, concluiu o presidente da ABES-SP.
Desafios do saneamento no Brasil
O presidente nacional da ABES, Roberval Tavares de Souza, apresentou a ABES ao público, destacando os 51 anos de existência da associação, seus mais de 20 mil associados em todo o país e seus produtos de destaque como as 14 Câmaras Temáticas, que discutem os assuntos específicos do setor com foco em sua melhoria. Os projetos EAD BID, a UNIABES, o PNQS e o Congresso ABES/Fenasan2107 também foram mencionados na apresentação.
Em seguida, Roberval Tavares de Souza abordou os desafios no setor de saneamento no Brasil, entre os quais universalizar os serviços. “Ainda estamos distantes da universalização – os níveis da Coreia do Sul estão bem avançados em relação aos do Brasil”, afirmou. “Quando falamos em saneamento ambiental, estamos falando de quatro vertentes – abastecimento de água, coleta e tratamento de esgoto, coleta e destino correto – de toda geração de resíduos sólidos em nosso país, e drenagem urbana (implantação de um sistema competente de drenagem eficiente para gerar benefícios para a população, além de todas a questão ambiental que é envolvida nestes quatro processos”, elencou. “A universalização é o principal ponto de discussão na nossa Associação e o principal item a ser perseguido por todos os sanitaristas do Brasil”.
Na Coreia do Sul
Em suas apresentações, os especialistas sul coreanos abordaram, entre os diversos temas, a tecnologia e a questão da comunicação no setor de saneamento. Frisaram a participação ativa da população denunciando vazamentos, por exemplo.
Kim Ji Hwan, da ARISU falou sobre o sistema integrado de informação utilizado no país e tecnologias renováveis; Kim Do Hyun, diretor da I-Solar Energy, abordou o tema captação solar; Chung Jun, da Shinsung Solar Energy, discorreu sobre o uso da energia solar no país asiático; Won Dong Chan, diretor da Pangea21, apresentou o sistema de gerenciamento e operação da Coreia do Sul. Cha Dong Hoon, do Centro de Planejamento e Desenvolvimento para a Água da ARISU, falou sobre a despoluição dos rios; Hong Seok Jae, do Departamento de Relações Internacionais da ARISU, abordou o sistema de água na cidade.
Visita técnica
Após o workshop, ABES-SP e Sabesp promoveram uma visita técnica com a delegação de especialistas em saneamento da Coreia do Sul à Estação de Tratamento de Esgotos de Barueri.
O eng. Ricardo Ribeiro acompanhou a visita pela ABES-SP. O engº Fábio Alceu Akiyama Moraes (Gerente da Planta) e o eng. Nelson de Campos Lima (Gerente de Departamento) explicaram aos visitantes o funcionamento da planta. A comitiva também conheceu o Centro de Controle Operacional (CCO ETE Barueri), Estação de Bombeamento (elevatória), bem como parte das obras de ampliação.
A ETE-Barueri localiza-se no município de Barueri e serve a maior parte da cidade de São Paulo. Também atende aos municípios de Jandira, Itapevi, Barueri, Carapicuíba, Osasco, Taboão da Serra e partes de Cotia e Embu. A ETE iniciou sua operação em 11 de maio de 1988 e beneficia cerca de 4,4 milhões de habitantes, com vazão média de 9,5 mil litros por segundo. O processo de tratamento é de lodo ativado convencional e em nível secundário, com grau de eficiência de cerca de 90% de remoção de carga orgânica. Os esgotos são transportados para a estação, através de um sistema de esgotamento constituído por interceptores, sifões, travessias, emissários, totalizando 73 quilômetros de extensão.
Após o término das obras de ampliação, previsto para maio de 2017, a ETE terá capacidade para tratar até 16 mil litros por segundo (16 m3/s) de esgotos.
A troca de experiência
“O que eles trouxeram mostra que estão muito mais avançados do que nós nos índices de perdas – no padrão japonês”, pontuou o diretor da ABES-SP e presidente da APECS, Luiz Roberto Gravina Pladevall. Por outro lado, segundo ele, alguns problemas que eles apresentaram, que são importantes lá, hoje não são tão relevantes no Brasil, como a proliferação de algas. “Temos isso em alguns reservatórios, mas o que deu para perceber é que a Coreia do Sul parece que é um país muito adensado e os mananciais muito ligados às cidades, então a proliferação de algas acaba prejudicando a captação de água”, explica Pladevall. “É uma situação que não é tão pronunciada no Brasil porque somos um território muito grande”, salienta.
O que surpreendeu, conforme o engenheiro, foi a eficiência no sistema de abastecimento de água: “uma capacidade de volume faturado em torno de 95% produzido, o que é altíssimo e a perda de 2,4%, estamos anos luz distantes deles”, compara. “Claro que acredito que o 2,4% já não viabiliza financeiramente porque perda zero é custo infinito. E perda 2.4 é um custo elevadíssimo para chegarem onde chegaram, precisa ver se a água é escassa ou não no país, e aí temos que fazer um balanço. Roma, por exemplo, tem altos índices de perdas porque tem água sobrando”, analisa.
Para Luís Eduardo Grisotto, coordenador da Câmara Temática de Recursos Hídricos da ABES-SP, essa troca de experiência é de suma importância para o Brasil, para o estado de São Paulo e para todos os atores que trabalham com saneamento, para a Sabesp, concessionárias, prestadores de serviços, entidades do setor, como a ABES, os usuários de recursos hídricos, para a comunidade cientifica e todos os especialistas da área. “É um evento muito importante porque é uma grande troca de conhecimento”, afirmou. “Sabemos que na Coreia há um sistema bastante avançado, tanto do ponto de vista tecnológico quanto da gestão e gerenciamento do setor de saneamento. Esses avanços são importantes conhecermos para que possamos não só aprender com as novidades tecnológicas, mas aprender com as dificuldades que eles tiveram. Muitas delas são semelhantes aqui no Brasil e em São Paulo, como por exemplo, os rios urbanos que cortam as cidades que são normalmente propensos a uma poluição exacerbada”, destacou.
“A Coreia do Sul mostrou para nós que se saiu muito bem ao cuidar desses rios que cortam Seul no sentido de despoluir, de tratar bem os seus recursos hídricos, a convivência dos cidadãos e da população com os próprios rios. E essencialmente do ponto de vista técnico e tecnológico como grande soluções inovadoras, com tecnologia de ponta, com sistemas integrados de gestão”, continuou.
De acordo com Grisotto, este tipo de situação é muito importante para saber que isso foi desenvolvido, como foi implantado e quais foram os contatos, repercussões da aplicação e da utilização desses sistemas na Coreia. “Também ficou evidente que a população coreana conta com sistema altamente confiável de tratamento de água e esgoto, recuperação do meio ambiente. Além disso, conta com um conjunto de especialistas, organismos e entidades prestadoras de serviço altamente comprometidas e compromissadas com a qualidade ambiental e urbana, com a garantia do abastecimento”, disse. “E a população, segundo ele, se sente confortável e corresponde de maneira interessante esse esforço das empresas e do poder público”, completou.
Grisotto explica, ainda, que ficou claro que a Coreia do Sul investe pesadamente em inovação tecnológica para o consumo de energia na apropriação e aproveitamento de energia solar, geotérmica, hidráulica para alimentar nas suas plantas de tratamento, seus sistemas integrados de gestão. “Isso significa uma preocupação também com a sustentabilidade econômica e ambiental dos sistemas, o que é fundamental para qualquer operacionalização de um sistema de saneamento no mundo inteiro. É uma tendência inexorável que vai acontecer imediatamente ou no horizonte de médio e longo prazo, mas é uma evolução que não temos como fugir dela. Uma evolução que todos desejamos que aconteça porque ela é politicamente correta, ambientalmente sustentável e socialmente justa.”
A diretora da ABES-SP e coordenadora da Câmara Técnica de Saúde Pública, Roseane Garcia, disse que a troca de experiência entre países com relação à gestão de sistema de abastecimento é extremamente relevante. “O sistema de gestão, além da questão tecnológica que desenvolve e troca. Muita coisa no saneamento é cultural. Portanto, a questão cultural bate na gestão em relação à população”, avaliou. “Se a população é esclarecida certamente ela vai ajudar na gestão. E isso faz uma diferença crucial. Acredito que no Brasil temos que olhar muito a participação da sociedade no sentido de melhorar a performance do sistema, principalmente nos vazamentos que é onde estamos perdendo dinheiro”, disse. “Isso é importante e temos que organizar mais eventos como este para melhorar o setor. Foi perfeito”, concluiu a engenheira.
Para Sergio Carravieri Lisboa, da Actuare Consultoria, patrocinadora do evento, esse dia será marcado como início de uma fase muito significativa “por trazer aqui a experiência que a Coreia do Sul tem ao longo dessas décadas em que investiram muito em educação e depois em uma preparação dos técnicos para o melhoramento do saneamento básico, na busca por melhoras para diminuir perdas”, afirmou. “E com uma gestão, com informações de maneira profissional para retribuir um menor custo para a comunidade e preservando o meio ambiente usando técnicas que o Brasil pode usar. E nós, com nossas dificuldades, podemos tentar melhorar a nossa situação que hoje não está em um nível muito bom, mas enxergamos que isso pode ser melhorado, usando toda essa experiência que a Coreia do Sul tem.”
O vice-presidente da ABES-SP, Márcio Souza, acredita que a Coreia do Sul traz um conceito que eles trabalharam nesses últimos anos sobre tecnologia aplicada no saneamento. “E no setor de saneamento no Brasil vamos buscando aprimorar as tecnologias e as parcerias. O que eles trouxeram para nós foram modelos de gestão tecnológica, combate a perdas, despoluição de córregos e rios”, frisa. “O que podemos notar e aproveitar é que eles avançaram em pontos nos quais estamos caminhando aqui no Brasil, como a gestão muito positiva com a sociedade na questão com o uso da água, de proteção aos mananciais e combate a perdas. Então, além da tecnologia, eles trabalham muito forte com a comunicação e com a sociedade. A experiência foi fantástica. Agora vamos trabalhar para estreitar o relacionamento e ver o que podemos trazer em uma parceria Brasil e Coreia do Sul”.
Cooperação entre os países
Kim Ji Hwan, da Divisão de Abastecimento da ARISU, também viu semelhanças entre os problemas que existem na Coreia e no Brasil, como seca e poluição. “Ao fazer a troca de experiência, um ajudando o outro, conseguimos resolver os problemas juntos. O interessante é que na comitiva vieram pessoas de empresas também, não só do governo. Temos know how, tecnologia, conhecimento. E toda essa experiência de trazer para cá fazem com que essas tecnologias possam ser implementadas no Brasil. Esta é uma grande oportunidade para juntar as cabeças e o conhecimento de cada um para tentar resolver um problema comum entre os dois países.”
Cha Dong Hoon, do Centro de Desenvolvimento e Planejamento para Água da ARISU, concorda sobre as semelhanças e destacou o interesse dos brasileiros pelo que foi apresentado no workshop. “Em 2015, aconteceu o Fórum Mundial da Água na Coreia. E agora em 2018 será no Brasil. São Paulo tem muitas similaridades com a Coreia. O problema que já passamos, São Paulo ainda está passando, então podemos ajudar porque já sabemos como sair dele. O que senti durante a minha apresentação foi que as pessoas estavam muito interessadas em aprender mais nesse workshop. Fiquei muito emocionado.”
Hong Seok Jae, do Departamento de Relações Internacionais da ARISU, ressaltou que Brasil e Coreia mantêm uma relação amigável de cooperação e que a experiência coreana pode ajudar em muitos casos, como na despoluição de rios. “Quando desci no Aeroporto de Guarulhos, em São Paulo, e passei pela Marginal Tietê, pude ver a poluição do rio. Esse é um problema que já enfrentamos na Coreia e como conseguimos superá-lo, sabemos o que fazer para resolvê-lo aqui. Tudo que o Brasil passa Seul já passou. Temos muita tecnologia, somos bem desenvolvidos nisso e usamos para fazer um controle em tempo real da poluição e de como despoluir as águas. Seria interessante que São Paulo seguisse os mesmos caminhos de Seul, que saiu de uma fase turbulenta. Se São Paulo quiser, Seul está disposta a ajudar.”
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